tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post2755259811972759667..comments2024-03-24T11:47:12.059+01:00Comments on Those Who Can See: Whence Afro criminality?M.G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-428708431625071432015-10-07T16:13:10.130+02:002015-10-07T16:13:10.130+02:00For 20 years I've found Robert Prechter's ...For 20 years I've found Robert Prechter's <i>Wave Principle of Human Social Behavior</i> relatively compelling. His thesis builds on R.N. Elliott's work in the 1930's & 1940's and shows that humans, exhibiting clear herding tendencies of social animals, demonstrate non-random social behavior that occurs in a patterned fractal.<br /><br />The animating force, a pre-conscious, shared social mood, is measured indirectly by watching aggregating social outcomes, the most real-time and numeric of which is the stock market. Much is published about this all at http://www.socionomics.net but one anecdote pertinent to this site is that our past two decades have largely set new records for social optimism (as evidenced by the Great Credit Bubble and Great Asset Mania.) This collective optimism coincides with peak trust of the "We Are The World" variety, which helps explain the irrational political Narrative dominating replacement-level, civilization-destroying, open-borders immigration.<br /><br />I find your blog's title (TWCS) particularly fascinating in this context. We are creatures who emotion-centers of the brain dominate the centers of reason, and so "seeing" counter-Narrative facts is quite nearly unnatural, and certainly rare. I hope to synthesize for myself insights from TWCS and the HBD crowd with the Socionomic Insight to illuminate the path(s) into which we rush headlong. <br /><br />Prechter has long opined that in the fractal pattern of social mood's up and down we were nearing the peak of a rally in optimism that dated at least to 1784 (as measured in stock prices back to the London Stock Exchange.) In terms of they hypothesis, this meant we were on the cusp of a commensurately large "correction," the likes of which should yield social strife a degree of trend larger than that which set off the world wars of the 20th century. Whether this Cassandra's forecast is rock solid or not, there's no shortage of rationale for concern. I find that life often imitates art, and the ubiquity of the Zombie Apocalypse genre is worrisome indeed. Large numbers of people are accumulating and hoarding ammunition at levels very few people realize.dc.sunsetshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08826161742700965939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-1640771769628872032014-08-26T20:40:54.282+02:002014-08-26T20:40:54.282+02:00The prisoner numbers from 1926-1986 are those pris...The prisoner numbers from 1926-1986 are those prisoners admitted or prisoners as of a certain date. I believe it is the former. If this is so than the numbers are not an apples to apples comparison to the data from the other report.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-47591301434130552272013-09-08T17:50:00.584+02:002013-09-08T17:50:00.584+02:00Sooner or later I am going to catch one of these c...Sooner or later I am going to catch one of these clueless comments before it's deleted, and fisk it so hard that the author's head winds up scattered in bits of bone, scalp and gray matter all over the walls and ceiling.<br /><br />One of these days, M.G. One of these days. (rubs hands gleefully)Mr. Rationalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-11801774293358828062013-09-08T00:32:04.387+02:002013-09-08T00:32:04.387+02:00Steven--
Thank you for taking the time to share y...Steven--<br /><br />Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts, but, per the <a href="http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.fr/p/welcome.html" rel="nofollow">FAQ</a>, the comments section of this blog is reserved for those who can see. All the best to you on your journey.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-48799642375475421732013-09-03T15:52:38.666+02:002013-09-03T15:52:38.666+02:00Anon--
TWCS's belief is that good policy is 9...Anon--<br /><br /><i>TWCS</i>'s belief is that good policy is 90% knowing what is actually going on, and 10% knowing what to do about it.<br /><br />As we live in such an indoctrinated age, our policy-makers fail mostly because they are clueless about the former, not the latter. So this blog seeks to <b>bring as much empirical data forward as possible</b>, in the hope it will become mainstream and help our Deciders to cast off their blinders. From there, real policy debates can happen.<br /><br />As far as specific policy proposals, one can often find them in the comments section. Afro crime in the U.S., for example, has led commenters to call for, among other things: Expansion of the 'Stand your ground' law, an end to Section 8 housing, an end to dysgenic welfare policies, a return to segregation, a black 'homeland' being set up within the U.S., repatriation to Africa, or (in the comment just above yours) eugenics.<br /><br />If you have any suggestions of your own to add, please do!M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-40537149587267618412013-09-01T21:55:21.641+02:002013-09-01T21:55:21.641+02:00Since part of the purpose of this site is to, as I...Since part of the purpose of this site is to, as I undersand it, to figure out how public policy should address afro criminality, I would like to hear more about some of those suggestions. Even if the only answer is tougher penalties and more incarceration, that hardly prevents law-abiding people from having to pay and pay and pay for the privilege of allowing incorrigible people to live among them. In olden days, of course, they would *not* be permitted to stay within town borders.<br />If we cannot do that, are we doomed to have to pay for the police protection and incarceration?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-31886284926322352532013-09-01T04:20:50.488+02:002013-09-01T04:20:50.488+02:00eugenics is the only way to tame or domesticate fe...eugenics is the only way to tame or domesticate feral blacks - just as it was the only way to tame or domesticate wolves - turning them into dogs - one can't tame them merely by giving them treats, "educating" them, & shaping their behavior thru reward & punishment. Biology (eugenics) works - education does not. Occam's razor is recommended to posters who blame black's behavior on da turrible legacy ub slabery. Biology, "g," & lack of frontal lobe inhibition predict & explain very well, without convoluted psycho-socio-economic father-less (gee, just like george washington) psycho-babble. cheers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-54709791995938809522013-08-28T03:08:15.470+02:002013-08-28T03:08:15.470+02:00Aw, darn, M.G., I was gonna eat him for a midnight...Aw, darn, M.G., I was gonna eat him for a midnight snack. Alive. He was such a weak, soft little mind, I didn't even see any tough chewy spots.mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-22213343105695251462013-08-28T00:58:56.903+02:002013-08-28T00:58:56.903+02:00benjamin david steele--
Per the FAQ, the comments...benjamin david steele--<br /><br />Per the <a href="http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.fr/p/welcome.html" rel="nofollow">FAQ</a>, the comments section of this blog is reserved for those who can see. We'll see you when you get there, and good luck on your journey.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-69997803258462194222013-08-27T23:57:01.071+02:002013-08-27T23:57:01.071+02:00back in the 1700-1800s the gap between black/white...back in the 1700-1800s the gap between black/white means would've been higher (say, 1.5 standard deviations) than the 1 (or 1.1) std. dev. of today. as the inflow of white genes into black admixture increased, the black mean rose (to be higher than their brethren in africa). so the statements of pre civil war southerners about their very real fear of crime by suddenly freed slaves was based on an even bigger difference between black-white than exists today. & the one that exists today is not pretty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-80793186560256457072013-08-27T17:03:52.487+02:002013-08-27T17:03:52.487+02:00@M.G.:
Awesome, I'm glad I could come in hand...@M.G.:<br /><br />Awesome, I'm glad I could come in handy. I look forward to your upcoming post!<br /><br />I agree, the immigration thing – along with Black movements – have to play some role in this pattern.<br /><br />As for the 1830s decline, here's one guess:<br /><br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Compromise" rel="nofollow">Missouri Compromise</a><br /><br />Perhaps things started to go south between the various <a href="http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/flags-of-the-american-nations/" rel="nofollow">American</a> <a href="http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/08/14/maps-of-the-american-nations/" rel="nofollow">nations</a> at that point because that was the time when they've reached the limits of each's expansion, and their interests began to really run up against each others' at that point?JayManhttp://jaymans.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-68121837386393838032013-08-27T00:56:12.895+02:002013-08-27T00:56:12.895+02:00Artur--
I've responded at your blog. Merci p...Artur--<br /><br />I've responded at your blog. Merci pour tes bons voeux!<br /><br />Ivan M.--<br /><br />IQ unquestionably matters. It is simply of much less interest to me personally than character traits, which is why one sees such a focus on the latter at the expense of the former at this blog.<br /><br />Re: African immigrants, I have heard similar stories about new arrivals being horrified by the state of the U.S. Afro underclass. It's also worth noting that many of these immigrants are a product of 'brain drain,' i.e. their countries' highest-functioning layer. It must be quite a shock getting off the plane and butting heads with the product of fifty years of intense dysgenic black fertility.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-27462466064211413972013-08-26T23:55:12.301+02:002013-08-26T23:55:12.301+02:00JayMan--
Very, very interesting graphs at Peter T...JayMan--<br /><br />Very, very interesting graphs at Peter Turchin's blog. I think the line-up with immigration is quite strong. Look at when 'cooperation' is at all-time lows--right there around 1900-1910, when anti-immigrant feeling was at fever pitch. It comes back up again until 1965 (Immigration Act) and boom, down it goes again. Who knows what sent it down in the 1830s.<br /><br />That is actually related to the subject of my next post, your timing is uncanny. Thank you for sharing the wealth!M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-23610816423022414862013-08-26T12:57:35.410+02:002013-08-26T12:57:35.410+02:00The g factor may be an imperfect construct, but it...The <i>g</i> factor may be an imperfect construct, but it retains significant predictive power as long as we're talking about <b>non-Northwest Euro groups inhabiting NW Euro countries.</b> Complex high-tech societies demand abstract reasoning and mathematical function. If IQ testing yields reasonably accurate measurements of these traits, then IQ matters.<br /><br />Of course, a myriad of psychological and behavioral differences between populations is what decides things in the long run.<br /><br />It seems that even immigrant Afros are becoming quite aware of the dysgenic abyss into which their American cousins are careening. On no shortage of occasions have I witnessed such newcomers (especially women) refuse association with Slavery's poisonous fruit. Those that don't marry within their cohort tend to marry non-Afros.<br /><br />And any hopes for genetic pacification continue to dwindle . . .Ivan .Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07700280754381292263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-37852019588416022062013-08-26T10:11:06.627+02:002013-08-26T10:11:06.627+02:00Here you go:
Since you're versed with sort of...Here you go:<br /><br />Since you're versed with sort of stuff, check out these posts by Peter Turchin:<br /><br /><a href="http://socialevolutionforum.com/2013/06/21/strange-disappearance/" rel="nofollow">The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America</a><br /><br /><a href="http://socialevolutionforum.com/2013/07/06/the-strange-disappearance-of-cooperation-in-america-ii/" rel="nofollow">The Strange Disappearance of Cooperation in America II</a><br /><br />I've notice that the surges in disunity seem to coincide with (sometimes time shifted by a few years) surges in immigration. We see a rise in trouble from 1880-1920s. We see another after the 1960s. The timing doesn't always line up to follow immigration patterns, but if you also superimpose the periods of Black expansion out of the Deep South (post Civil War, post WWI, post WWII/Civil Rights era), the "fit" improves a bit.<br /><br />I though that this would be something for you to think about. :)JayManhttp://jaymans.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-45428623256688618942013-08-26T01:27:21.293+02:002013-08-26T01:27:21.293+02:00Bonjour MG glad to see you posting again.
Look, ...Bonjour MG glad to see you posting again. <br /><br />Look, this is slightly O/T but I urge you to check out this afro-germanic grievance porn docu entitled : <br /><br />"Yes I Can." <br /><br />The similarities between all of these stupid, self-hating, newly-liberated (back in the 70s) white German women and Barry O's own mother Stanley Anne are absolutely stunning. <br /><br />It's a little long. If you don't have time to view it, let me know I will provide a summary (which I should already do for COTT). <br /><br />I haven't checked out your post yet, will do shortly, but I'm really glad to see that TWCS is back at it. <br /><br />Best, <br /><br />- Arturo <br /><br />crimesofthetimes.com Arturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12411800265189549526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-73372922610442396642013-08-25T19:18:46.981+02:002013-08-25T19:18:46.981+02:00edjukatedbywiki--
Interesting anecdotes about whi...edjukatedbywiki--<br /><br />Interesting anecdotes about white and black working-class groups, especially about the hair-trigger nature of the violence. This was one reason Southerners were so averse to Afros carrying weapons. Re: the post-Reconstruction South, historian A.B. Hart wrote in 1910:<br /><br /><i>'Not so genial is the usual relation of Negro with Negro; both in town and city there is an amount of crude and savage violence of which the outside world knows little, and in which women freely engage. ... <b>Practically every negro man carries a revolver and many of them bear knives or razors; hence, once engaged in a fracas, nobody knows what will happen.</b> ... There is constant negro violence against the Whites, and they occasionally engage in pitched battles with white gangs.'</i> <br /><br />Re: your second point, yes, it seems the environment has changed radically for Afro-Americans since 1965. Strict outside controls on their behavior and movements (apartheid in the south, de facto segregation in the north) have been removed. Their least-functional are now sent a check by the government every time they pop out a new kid (with dysfunctional absent fathers). The brightest black women seem to be dropping out of motherhood. The 'talented tenth' used to chastize and shame the less-functional class into better behavior; today we have black leaders (including our mulatto Attorney General) practically agitating them into a race war. Altogether it looks like Afros are falling into a full dysgenic spin. And we're all paying the price. Thanks for your comment.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-39914896271551840462013-08-25T17:04:25.474+02:002013-08-25T17:04:25.474+02:00Many American Blacks are descended from brutal wh...Many American Blacks are descended from brutal white slave owners, overseers and rapists. This bloodstock is never mentioned or questioned. I bring this up on forums about reparations wherein I state that blacks should pay themselves because it's their ancestors who owned slaves. . I also pointed this out to an hispanic lefty co-worker, that it was she who was descended from the conquistadors and spoke the language of the oppressors. The fact is, most blacks in this country are descended from Africans who were not advanced enough to keep from being taken as slaves by their fellow Africans and whites who were extremely violent, cruel and callous. I read an account of a slave owner from the Carribean who engaged in practices so heinous that reading about them has affected my mind. He would punish slaves for stealing food by having another slave defacate into the offenders' mouths and then he would gag the victims for hours in order to prolong the torture. I am sure that this slave owner has many black descendents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-1026008707135672292013-08-24T23:09:43.206+02:002013-08-24T23:09:43.206+02:00Growing up in a bluecollar environment that was &q...Growing up in a bluecollar environment that was "integrated" the two things that struck me were<br /><br />1) Black people on the whole weren't exactly more aggressive than the white bluecollar people but they were much more impulsive about it. The white bluecollar people who liked to fight saved it up for the weekend whereas the black equivalent could kick off anywhere, anytime.<br /><br />2) By far the biggest difference was lethality. There's a certain kind of person who under normal circumstances i.e. if the police aren't swamping an area with stop & search, will *always* carry a weapon, will use it at the drop of a hat and will go from neutral to lethal in one go without any intermediate stages.<br /><br />On the estates / projects i knew i always saw it as maybe 1% of white kids were like that and 10% of black kids. What that meant was in every 100 fights 90 would be just fights, 1 would end with the black kid stabbed or killed and 9 with the white kid stabbed or killed. It was that difference in *lethality* rather than violence per se which was the main driver for white flight.<br /><br />(This is not to contradict your list just to point out that when the gap between a black and a white population is closest i.e. if you compare a violent white working class population with a violent black working class population then the biggest differences between the two stand out more.)<br /><br />(The lethality thing is particularly bad when combined with the narcissism you mention - which is something you'd expect from a display orientated male population - and which i've seen hundreds of times.)<br /><br />Anyway - hence my belief that this MAOA gene could be the key to the lethality aspect. If it is then it should correlate with three distinctive behaviors:<br /><br />1) always carrying a weapon (except when suppressed by police swamping)<br />2) unusually low hesitation in using a weapon<br />3) rapid transition from neutral to lethal with none of the intermediate stages common to normal people<br /><br />And the ratio found<br /><br />"[...] Well, at long last, Reti et al determined that 0.5% of white MAOA genes and 4.7% of African-American MAOA genes are this 2-repeat allele, almost a ten-fold difference."<br /><br />fits my experience also.<br /><br /><br />.<br /><br />The other interesting thing is looking at your top graph is although black criminality may have started out higher than white it's incredible how much worse black criminality has got over time.<br /><br />If it is genetic then that implies the environment changed in some way that led to violent traits becoming more reproductively successful e.g. maybe the 1965 immigration act, the subsequent descent of the black population into mass unemployment with the subsequent creation of a gang-ruled underclass eco-system where violent traits became reproductively successful because the gang members got first choice of the females.<br />edjukatedbywikinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-69997733443596154252013-08-21T21:49:32.576+02:002013-08-21T21:49:32.576+02:00Mustapha--
Yes, from what I understand, the Secti...Mustapha--<br /><br />Yes, from what I understand, the Section 8 program was modified in the 1990s, making it much easier for its beneficiaries to move into neighborhoods that were 'safe' from them before. This has really become a merry-go-round for white Amercians, ever running away from the black tide, but as you say, at some point space runs out. Will Euro-Americans fight, as they have before? The elite will stay as insulated as ever, it is the great white middle that may lash out...or may not.<br /><br /><br />Hersh--<br /><br />Exactly. It is a widespread myth that Afros lack self-esteem; quite the opposite is true. Even without the empirical studies, observers have noted this quality for a long time--I run into it often in 19th century texts on 'the Negro question.'M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-19261887407645871752013-08-21T02:49:56.368+02:002013-08-21T02:49:56.368+02:00Hersh
So, regarding "narcissism," the es...Hersh<br />So, regarding "narcissism," the establishment is doing exactly the wrong thing with the Black History Month, Tuskegee Airmen, etc. Lifting black self esteem is exactly wrong as they are disadvantaged by having too much self regard to begin with. <br /><br />Also contributing to black anger problem that they feel unappreciated, "disrespected" for what they perceive to be their true worth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-54566302901183118662013-08-20T19:13:34.429+02:002013-08-20T19:13:34.429+02:00MG: "this time they really will completely tu...MG: "this time they really will completely turn over their streets to 'random' (wink wink) black aggression, retreating ever further into the exurbs?"<br /><br />At some point, probably soon, there will be no place left to retreat to. America's a big place but White Flight can't go on forever. You must have heard of HUD's latest plans to diversify the suburbs? (A process which has been going on for years already - the suburbs ain't what they were in the 70s or even 90s.)<br /><br />"Fight or flight" is the standard response to danger. When the second option is removed, well you can fill in the blanks yourself.Mustapha Mondnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-67926611045054935902013-08-20T01:20:22.294+02:002013-08-20T01:20:22.294+02:00Californian--
Yes, that's why I added the cav...Californian--<br /><br />Yes, that's why I added the caveat 'under certain circumstances' these traits can lead to Afro criminality. The current context is really ripe for black-on-white violence in particular. In the past, whenever such violence has gotten unusually high (during Reconstruction in the South, during the Great Migration to the North, after the 1965 Civil Rights Act), Whites have counter-reacted with great force. But then, I don't think Euro-American men have ever been so emasculated as they are today... So perhaps this time they really will completely turn over their streets to 'random' (wink wink) black aggression, retreating ever further into the exurbs?<br /><br />focal joker--<br /><br />Yes, empirically speaking it's an uphill battle. But what we're dealing with is religious belief, really; most blank-slatists are not interested in facts or in scientific enquiry. They are interested in having their consciences soothed by pretty lies. Hard to blame them though, the truth is pretty ugly.<br /><br />Anon--<br /><br />Thank you for reading. May I gently ask you to use a 'handle' if you choose to comment again? It's so nice to put a name to a comment. But no worries if you don't want to.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-20077994931527617842013-08-20T01:09:26.327+02:002013-08-20T01:09:26.327+02:00JayMan--
I was actually looking for a good wrap-u...JayMan--<br /><br />I was actually looking for a good wrap-up on the question and I should've known where to go! I even have that link bookmarked! I've now added both your links to the original post, thank you.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-1443925219061239032013-08-20T00:48:28.489+02:002013-08-20T00:48:28.489+02:00It's funny how much data you have to collect o...It's funny how much data you have to collect on an afrikanus ignoramus to validate the opinion we all have. Meanwhile all it takes is a couple emotionally charged anecdotes to drive social science forward about YT and his many racist hang ups.<br /><br />-focal joker-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com