tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post7534378532289171026..comments2024-03-24T11:47:12.059+01:00Comments on Those Who Can See: Self-policing and the Afro-AmericanM.G.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-58961280445996406252012-10-27T01:31:04.716+02:002012-10-27T01:31:04.716+02:00sestamibi--
They don't feel they're bound ...sestamibi--<br /><i>They don't feel they're bound by the white man's law, and pretty soon they'll have to numbers to challenge it completely.</i> <br /><br />Yes. A good place to get a feel for just how bad it's gotten is <a href="http://secondcitycop.blogspot.fr/" rel="nofollow">Second City Cop</a>, a blog where Chicago police post anonymously about the craziness they see every day. It's tragicomic. <a href="http://secondcitycop.blogspot.fr/2011/11/scumbag-media-reporting.html" rel="nofollow">This thread</a> talks at length about the 'no-snitching,' jury-throwing culture of the ghetto. And yes, I agree something is going to crack at some point.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-23194633680892124612012-10-27T01:29:10.812+02:002012-10-27T01:29:10.812+02:00JayMan--
As for the KIPP schools, don't get to...JayMan--<br /><i>As for the KIPP schools, don't get too excited.</i><br /><br />Good point about self-selection. You've considered the black dysgenics question in-depth, and it's true that in any group there's a layer that's just so dysfunctional that almost nothing and no one can socialize them properly. You also echo J.A. Tillinghast, who, when considering the Tuskegee and Hampton Institutes' great success, admitted in 1902:<br /><br /><i>'Opening a catalogue of that institution [Hampton] and examining the terms of admission, we discover that it works only with <b>stringently sifted material.</b> [...] If the youth of the race generally were qualified to enter Hampton on its own terms, the problem would be already half solved. The results attained at Hampton therefore fail to prove that like results could be secured amongst the negroes at large.'</i><br /><br />This truly is a question Americans have been puzzling over for generations.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-46554147668470884702012-10-26T07:09:27.085+02:002012-10-26T07:09:27.085+02:00An excellent collection of data that will be usefu...An excellent collection of data that will be useful as a reference for awhile to come, to be sure.<br /><br />As for the KIPP schools, don't get too excited. The students there are necessarily a select group (those that are interested in trying to apply and hence enter the lottery; that interest in a better outcome says something about the parents—and hence the students). Also, the attrition rate is quite high, though they try to keep this fact quiet.JayManhttp://jaymans.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-16180683290991684912012-10-26T02:05:52.332+02:002012-10-26T02:05:52.332+02:00Agreed on all your major points, but you omit the ...Agreed on all your major points, but you omit the most chilling aspect of everything you describe:<br /><br />The "people" of whom you speak don't think they're doing anything wrong! They don't feel they're bound by the white man's law, and pretty soon they'll have to numbers to challenge it completely. They already do so in urban juries who "don't want to see another brother in jail". <br /><br />Two standards of behavior cannot co-exist in the same space. Eventually the white race will realize this and take matters into its own hands.<br /><br />sestamibinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-33459661671213814232012-10-25T23:00:05.443+02:002012-10-25T23:00:05.443+02:00eah--
That graphic is like a swift kick in the fac...eah--<br />That graphic is like a swift kick in the face. Wake-up call. <br /><br />The first thing I thought of looking at it was, 'South Africa.' There's a country where Euros at something like 20% held in check 80% Afros/Coloreds, all the while creating a lovely, livable first-world society. It is feasible.<br /><br />Of course, for that to happen with such a race ratio, you need a full-on segregation system. S. Africa has abandoned hers, and it is no secret to anyone here what that's led (and will ultimately lead) to. <br /><br />You're dead right that the demographic shift happening now will likely spell the death of Social Security in our or our children's lifetimes. But an 80/20 NAM/Euro ratio does not <i>neccessarily</i> exclude a first world existence for the latter. Will parts of the U.S. eventually come back to an apartheid model? Many say no way, but I think the question is wide open.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-87401570273419763472012-10-25T06:14:59.774+02:002012-10-25T06:14:59.774+02:00http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-t_6JPhZfVjU/UHyVrfdUIsI/...http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-t_6JPhZfVjU/UHyVrfdUIsI/AAAAAAAAAqs/MSNunv7UVUs/s1600/Screen+shot+2012-10-15+at+6.48.15+PM.png<br /><br />I must say, that above link that "eah" posted is the scariest link I have ever visited.<br /><br />Dare I be one of Those Who Can See into The Future?<br /><br />Please spare me M.G. We all need to blink sometime...Deweyhttp://www.premiseblog.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-22818503645178156592012-10-24T22:46:03.343+02:002012-10-24T22:46:03.343+02:00Anon--
The US convention is to use a "."...Anon--<br /><i>The US convention is to use a "." rather than a "," for the decimal point.</i><br /><br />I was disappointed in myself, but after wrangling with these numbers for a week, I just didn't have the strength to go spelunking around Excel trying to find how to transfer the system from French to American notation. But it is on my to-do list. Thanks for reading.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-52462714990283159522012-10-24T22:34:30.073+02:002012-10-24T22:34:30.073+02:00Steve--
I do think the concept of an all-black, al...Steve--<br /><i>I do think the concept of an all-black, all-male school is an interesting one.</i><br /><br />Thanks for the link. Interesting yes, I'd even say it's a very promising idea. I'm a fan of the single-sex classroom, though I know there's lots of debate about that (<a href="http://www.npr.org/2011/10/25/141692830/are-single-sex-classrooms-better-for-kids" rel="nofollow">here's</a> a recent NPR piece on the subject).<br /><br />The single-race classroom is, I feel, going to make a strong comeback soon. I did some research not long ago on <a href="http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.fr/2012/03/mis-education-of-afro-americans.html" rel="nofollow">Afro-American education</a> around the turn of the 20th century vs. now, and I was struck by the <a href="http://www.pbs.org/makingschoolswork/sbs/kipp/index.html" rel="nofollow">KIPP school</a> program. It's a high-discipline, quasi-military approach, and it seems to work well for black boys in particular.<br /><br />This, from your link:<br /><br /><i>At 100 Black Men Community School, most of the instructors, administrators and board members <b>are black males.</b></i><br /><br />...is hugely encouraging. These kids from fatherless homes are in desperate need of strong male role models. It also made me think of <a href="http://www.lsu.edu/chancellor/newsarticles/nyt_20040103.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a> about Leonard Moore, a disciplinarian-style Afro history prof at LSU who deals with lots of student athletes:<br /><br /><i>Josh Reed, a standout wide receiver who is now with the Buffalo Bills, did poorly, but he thought enough of the experience to send Moore a letter. ''I know I didn't learn much about African-American history,'' said Reed's letter, which Moore keeps in his office, <b>''but I learned a lot about being a man.''</b></i><br /><br />Without strong male discipline, there's little hope for lots of these children. I think these single-race schools are going to be pushed more and more by the black community... a sort of quiet return to partial segregation.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-89531073553403989762012-10-24T21:45:37.935+02:002012-10-24T21:45:37.935+02:00...It will be interesting to see what form the ...<i>...It will be interesting to see what form the 'crime pie' takes in the years to come.</i><br /><br />It will be even more interesting -- not to mention easier -- to contemplate what will happen to the US economy as the country changes demographically (in a massively unfavorable way, I might add).<br /><br /><a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-t_6JPhZfVjU/UHyVrfdUIsI/AAAAAAAAAqs/MSNunv7UVUs/s1600/Screen+shot+2012-10-15+at+6.48.15+PM.png" rel="nofollow">Note this graphic giving the proportion of non-white school children in a good many mostly southern states.</a><br /><br />Of course the vast majority of these non-white kids are NAMs. Now think about the elevated criminality and low level of academic achievement of NAMs, on average. And ask: How will they ever be able create the wealth needed to maintain a competitive, first world, high value-added economy? Wealth that must be taxed in order to pay the 'entitlements' -- e.g. Social Security and Medicare -- due the enormous number of retiring, overwhelmingly white baby boomers?<br /><br />To put it simply, it isn't going to happen.eahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-9516170185747271522012-10-24T20:23:23.665+02:002012-10-24T20:23:23.665+02:00In the news...
two (2) disadvantaged teenage blac...In the news...<br /><br />two (2) disadvantaged teenage black “yutes” kill 12 year old privileged white girl for her bicycle......<br /><br /><br />http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/girl_killed_for_her_bike_IikpsS1xfKCRtoZF7flqhKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-88439783321349115092012-10-24T02:33:15.909+02:002012-10-24T02:33:15.909+02:00Johnny Caustic--
Agreed on all counts. These are ...Johnny Caustic--<br />Agreed on all counts. These are very unpalatable truths to many people today, but they were once common wisdom.<br /><br /><i>And I really do think that American blacks were much happier before the civil rights movement. They don't seem to have had the same burning hatred and defiance toward whites that so many of them have today.</i><br /><br />This is a key point and something I've run into again and again in old books about 'the Negro question.' Many men of that era shared the opinion that Blacks were relatively content with their lot (separation from Whites), but that it was the Mulattoes who stirred up their anger and bitterness. This is from E.B. Reuter, 'The Mulatto in the United States' (1919):<br /><br /><i>The Negroes have given very little support to the so-called radical movements. A native common sense leads them to a half-conscious recognition of the futility of systematically antagonizing the race upon which they are so largely dependent.<br /><br />The agitations for social and political rights and privileges, the fulminations against discriminations, the exaggerations of real and fancied wrongs, is not the work of Negroes. It is a <b>small, widely scattered, light-colored and largely deracialized group of mulattoes</b>...</i><br /><br />I don't think it's a stretch to say the 'mixed-bloods' have been behind most of the activism of the last half-century. They know that Afros need strong social constraints in order to thrive, but chafe at the idea of submitting to such themselves. It's a conundrum without easy answers, but I agree that <b>recognizing the reality</b> of the situation is a big step towards sanity.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-24184733163094419092012-10-24T02:31:16.085+02:002012-10-24T02:31:16.085+02:00Paul sent me--
Thank you for your kind words, and ...Paul sent me--<br />Thank you for your kind words, and for reading. It is always a pleasure to hear from a fellow fan of SBPDL. Paul Kersey's work has matured amazingly in the last year and a half; he remains one of my favorites.M.G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06817230141673953233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-8320046799378030162012-10-24T01:40:07.833+02:002012-10-24T01:40:07.833+02:00This article on race and social training might int...This article on race and social training might interest you:<br /><br />http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-school-aims-to-help-black-boys-3840007.php<br /><br />I do think the concept of an all-black, all-male school is an interesting one. Something like this, if done right, could help blacks improve their behavior a lot - but if they shoot for blacks doing as well as whites, with the same level of work as whites, they'll continue to be disappointed. Blacks have a lower IQ and different instincts and this needs to be admitted and understood in their education. This is where you begin to see how this notion that "we are all the same" is not doing blacks any good either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-1601922046495736592012-10-23T10:31:23.312+02:002012-10-23T10:31:23.312+02:00The US convention is to use a "." rather...The US convention is to use a "." rather than a "," for the decimal point. Your notation might confuse an American audience. Excellent analysis in your piece.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-66403599952783832882012-10-21T09:51:22.175+02:002012-10-21T09:51:22.175+02:00I am so happy to see someone finally go beyond the...I am so happy to see someone finally go beyond the obvious fact that institutional racism is a mirage, to the deeper truth that American blacks benefit from discipline.<br /><br />Just as children are better behaved and happier when their parents set standards of behavior and enforce strong boundaries, blacks are better behaved and happier when more disciplined cultures take the paternal role and hold them to a moral standard.<br /><br />Again, it's not just the whites who benefit; the blacks benefit, perhaps most of all.<br /><br />And I really do think that American blacks were much happier before the civil rights movement. They don't seem to have had the same burning hatred and defiance toward whites that so many of them have today.<br /><br />Of course, we don't want to bring back all the trappings of the pre-civil rights era, but whites do need to regain their confidence about setting the standards.<br />Johnny Causticnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1740067042613887004.post-55646844816729840612012-10-21T06:54:07.357+02:002012-10-21T06:54:07.357+02:00Brilliant. Damning. Chilling. This post, if pla...Brilliant. Damning. Chilling. This post, if placed on a chart of challenging and provocative thinking over previous posts, would be as upward sloping as the incarceration rate of blacks over time.<br /><br />Thank you for posting. Paul Sent Menoreply@blogger.com